A PAL problem?

[mykle]

I have now installed the new Bogart SE 3.1, PAL. I was very satisfied, until I recently noticed a problem during trimming scenes.

During trimming everything seems to work well, until playback of the trimmed scene. The problem is that the playback stops 21 frames before the end of the full scene, ALWAYS!!

An example. A trimmed scene has the duration of 10:00 sec. When playing back it stops at 09:04 sec. In the PAL-system that means 21 frames.

Even if I put the scenes from the scene bin up to the storyboard, and play it back from there, the same thing happens.

I am not sure if this problem is present at earlier softwares of Bogart. In any case I did'nt notice it then.

[MichaelD]

I'm afraid that you appear to be correct.

However, what you trim is remembered correctly when placed on the Story Board - as long as it's followed by another clip (even black etc).

So if you put your 10 second clip up three times it will play for ten seconds twice and the third one will be curtailed, as you say, unless you then add another clip after that.

Can you confirm . . . ?

[mykle]

MichaelD,
you are right. Only a single, or the last scene, from the scene bin up to the storybord are curtailed. I can live with that, but I wonder why I haven't noticed this before..? Thank you for helping!

[HansJoachimKoenig]

Same with me.
If I trim to the end of word, it's gone when played back in scene bin.
Never had this before in my 13 years of Casa experience.

[swisscasauser]

Hi, same with me...

I also still have problems with the 2 monitors mode (DVI/VGA), impossible to reach a higher definition than 1024x768 on the VGA side...I tested 5 different monitors (Acer/Dell/Philips...), old ones, new ones...it seems that Bogart still has problems with the plug & play standard recognition. I have to say that it worked well under Bogart 2.4c.

The DVI video out connection (1080i) doesn't work anymore (Acer H233H)...

I also have problems with the direct import function into Bogart....it's impossible to import simple mpeg 2 clips (SD), wich is strange for the most used and common format out there,...
And when I want to import long clips (more than 5 minutes), it seems to be working, but after a few minutes, the import stops without any reasons...

I find that this version is also (for the moment) less stable than the previous one...I've had important system crashes.

The positive thing with Bogart 3 is the increasing of the rendering speed, which is significant...

For the rest, nothing really new...apart from the reworked sound part...

Cheers...

[HansJoachimKoenig]

Hi Vincent,
2 monitor mode is possible on my S4Pro, just tried 1400x1050 on LG-VGA(4:3),
but this is to small for me on a 19" VGA.
HDMI-Monitor 1920x1080 works as always before on a Thomson 16:9, 20"

[Alan]

I've just finished a series of interviews with V3.1. Yes I first found the apparent loss of the last few frames a surprise. However as Mike says its OK as soon as you have a following scene. I do not like having the missing sound, though you can still see the lips moving when you play the clip in the bin.

The new audio windows are good for ramping the sound down and up behind the voices. It would be nice to be able to place a cursor just before the changes and then play them through. Or have I missed something?

So far except for the above V3.1 seems OK. They need to sort out the silence over the last few frames ASAP. Who tested it and released it?

Alan

[HansJoachimKoenig]

Hi Alan,

good question, who released it?
Let me add who tested it before release?
You will never get an answer to that question.
By the way there are exactly 16 frames audio missing when playing .

[Alan]

Hi Hans,
Thanks for the 16 frames info. This sort of problem would have been spotted quickly if they had testers who used the system to actually do real editing. I imagine that as the sound editing has changed so much they have done a lot of de-bugging. If that is the only problem they have done well.

Alan

[MichaelD]

This sort of problem would have been spotted quickly if they had testers who used the system to actually do real editing.

Hi Alan, Although I agree in principle I actually think that this would have been quite hard to pick up on.

Yes we trim scenes to the lengths we want and need but we also, generally, leave a bit more on either end to cover for transitions.

So, whilst in trimming it looks as if we get what we want (as you can see the frames you've selected) and when added to the Story Board (with other scenes) you get what you trimmed.

I'd be interested to see how many versions back this 'problem' affects

Whatever the outcome I'm sure that a fix will be in the offing very soon.