Add Film Error Message

[ShadowVision]

Hi again, just finished 112 minutes feature in my AVIO and when I added it to be burned, I got two messages: first one told me that it would exceed the size of a dvd; and the second said it exceed the size capable.

The first message hasn't been true in the past and dvd burned fine. I think of that one now as a mere warning.

The second one concerns me because it did add the film but it appears that the film is only 105 minutes now.

So I'm burning it to dvd to check it out.

What should I do here? Buy higher capacity dual layer dvds?

Or is there a setting that I can work with to keep it on one standard dvd?

Ideally, I can get 120 minutes on a dvd. Of course, that's ideal. Any help would be very appreciated.

Thanks!

[TimKennelly]

While the first warning is just that as it is an estimate, if your Add Film is at 105 minutes how do you possibly think it will burn out to 120 minutes?
Waste of a blank.

It sounds like you must be using the settings of Standard video, compressed audio.

You could go down one additional level in video quality, but that will increase the artifacting.

The degree will depend on the complexity motion in and of the video and whether the degradation is acceptable to you and your client is a personal call.

Your other choices are to edit tighter (LOL) or if that is not feasible then you need to either break it into two section and create a two DVD end product or use DL DVDs.

Personally, while DL DVDs have come down in price, two standard DVDs are still cheaper and offer greater compatibility, potentially increased video and audio quality and "appears" to give greater value client at the offset of slightly less convenience (having to potentially change DVDs at some point).

[ShadowVision]

I'm such a dope! Just went to Target straight away and purchase DL dvds.

It is burning now.

And, my production partner and I have been trying to edit it down for months now. This version is actually shorter!

But I suppose given the fact that the film covers the last 40 plus years of Alabama politics from the Republican side, 112 minutes isn't that bad.

Finally, the 105 minutes was all that loaded at Standard with uncompressed audio. The film is 112 minutes, so, I naively thought that it would burn to a 120 minute dvd since the actual length was less than 120. DL should work fine.

Been up all night, we're gonna check the dvd and make some changes today. Looks like another all-nighter! Thank goodness coffee isn't as scarce as gas here in Atlanta!

Thanks!

[TimKennelly]

Ok, just a caution, not all players handle DL DVDs and futher those that do handle them differently so you have the potential of increased customer service issues with DL DVDs.

My productions normally run between sixty to ninety minutes so I am not intimately familiar with the various video and audio quality capacities, but I would think you should be able to put 112 minutes on a normal DVD using Standard video, compressed audio.

Compressed audio takes longer for the initial transoding to Arabesk and introduces some minor potential customer service issues regarding a client's audio settings, but represent a far less incident prone situation than DL DVDs do in my experience.

Just some thoughts, your mileage may vary.

[jimmeeker]

Hello Jonathon,

The amount of fast moving action in the video.... directly affects the amount of time that you can get on a DVD.
I have many many times been able to get over 120 minutes on a DVD in the "Normal" and "Compressed" audio modes,

Still photos take a lot less space than full blown action shots. The DVDs that I burn can run easily from 90 minutes to 125 minutes.

The longer times are usually weddings with very slow action and a lot of stills. But when doing sporting events, parades, film transfers, etc. which tend to have a lot more action.....I can't get as much footage on a 2 hour DVD. I usually have to cut it down to around 100 minutes or less to get the action in.

Tim is correct. One hour or even 90 minutes will fit easily.....but if there is a lot of movement in the video, then you will be using up more space and therefore get fewer minutes on the DVD.

I too, think that producing two DVDs for the client would yield a perceived higher value to them and present fewer player
questions. Two regular DVDs and cases that hold two DVDs are still way cheaper than Dual Layer DVDs. Just my opinion here!

[ShadowVision]

Thanks guys!

I was surprised that the 112 minute feature could burn to a normal dvd. I considered firewiring the project to Final Cut and burning it in IDVD. But the DL option worked. I paid $38 for 25 dvds, which is a little less than twice as expensive as the normal dvds.

The disc played well on my Sony player. We have to watch the project after burning and giving it to the client and over a Jack Daniels late last night, I could detect no problems!

Truthfully, the project will eventually go to Sony HD tape for festival and TV, so, I'm not too worried. Hopefully, the folks at Sundance will let me update my submission. Of course, the whole Sundance thing is a complete longshot. We're hoping for public TV and college education use on this one. Took me two freakin' years to get it to this point.

I so wish I could have upgraded to the S4000 in the middle of this last edit, but I'm staying with my trusty AVIO. In November, I hope to make the old jump.

I'll let you guys know if the client has any playback issues. We tried it in two laptops and two dvds players (one a little older) last night with no noticeable problems.