audio bleeds into transitions, audio moves around

[charles5335]

Hello all, it's been ages since I've been here, in fact, I've never been here since the site changed. But,it seems I never have time to chat, only to come in when I have a major problem. You guys are really smart.
I've finished a wedding (74 min.) and am having trouble with #1.audio bleeding in from some unknown place into my crossfades. This occurs during the reception where I've muted the original audio and overlayed music. I've not "melded" these into scenes because I want to keep them separate for chapter points for the chapter menu. Also,#2. I've had songs which I've put in at the beginning of the reception (cake cutting) move entirely to the end (departure). This has happened twice on this one project. The second time,since I was aware of the problem, went through and corrected all the glitches, only to find they'd reappeared in my burned dvd and are back in the project again.
I've got an early day tomorrow, so I'm turning in for the night. Any help would be, as always, GREATLY appreciated.
Chuck McCall
Dothan, Alabama

[jimmeeker]

Hello Chuck,

Nice to hear from you again on the new forum. Well this problem of moving audio could be caused by having your audio in any of the music tracks rather than in the narrion or effects tracks. The music tracks are attached to beginning of the story board and if you add a scene to the beginning or any spot before the music position......it moves the music dpwn stream by the amount of time that your added scene occupies. So if you added a two minute video scene before your music location, the music tracks are moved two minutes farther to the right and ends up under different video than you put it in originally.

To solve this problem you can use the narration or the effects tracks to place your music in, as they are tied to the video scene that is located above them in the story board, and not to the beginning of the Storyboard. Or on newer operating systems you can specify in the set up.....to have any or all the tracks locked in place so they won't move.

Making scenes of each section will also lock the video and audio together so they won't migrate away from each other.

Let us know if this is the problem for you, or if you know all of this already, and it's some other mystery hiding under the hood.

[charles5335]

Hey Jim, it is good to be back. Thanks for taking time to reply.
No, I understand about the audio sliding back by the same amount of added video time before it. That's not quite what's happening here. I've got random stuff popping in all over the place. An audio clip from one end of the audio part of the storyboard , or at least, a piece of it, will blare in at some odd place where I've added and created another audio clip. Now all this problem audio is down in the first layer. Also, 1 second crossfades will either mute the original audio or add a blast of sound from someplace else to make the bar show red for overmodulation. In this case, I'll make a change to uncreate that particular clip and re-mute and re-create and it'll go away for a time only to come back if I mess around with any of the audio tracks. It's just that in all the weddings I do, I've never had this happen.
I think I'm learning my lesson to ALWAYS create these separate audio/video clips into "melded" scenes before sending to Arabesk. I went back and read some other posts and saw how easy it is to divide out the chapter segments and put all onto the clipboard for retrieval into an empty project. If this cleans it up, I'll let you know. Again, thanks and good to hear from you!

Chuck

[jimmeeker]

Chuck,

Well now.....this brings us back to the urban legend of shutting down on an empty project each time. This idea has been critizised by many and even the folks at Boulder but in the early days of Casablanca II models, the buffer memory would hold on to bits and pieces of video and audio and allow it to pop up in unexpected places.

The work around was to shut the machine off when finished editing....
By first switching to an empty project before shutting off the editor.

This flushed out the buffer memory and the machine would be clean when you powered it back up the next day. This idea was championed by Tim Kennelly and myself for several years and it took on a life of it's own.....becoming an urban legend.

Todays software shouldn't have this problem.....but what you are describing sounds like what we were trying to fix in the early days with the shut down on an empty project idea. Video would pop up from other projects.....audio would show up in unexpected places and would turn your hair white....mine was already, but it made it worse.

I quess its like some of the things I learned from my father. Always allow the car engine to warm up before driving at high speeds. Now days youngsters start their cars in winter and tear out of the drive way before anything has been warmed up. Running our computers and editors 24 hours a day just isn't done by someone who lived through or has serious knowledge of the depression years. Our finances today are giving some of the young a new experience in conservation of energy and money.

Sorry to ramble on about the younger generations but I hope that you'll see that some of the things that the "Old Timer" has been talking about in years gone-by may be happening again.

[charles5335]

Yes, Jim. You're not rambling. It's true. Everything today's faster and faster. We put more and more demands on our equipment, develop such dependence on everything going right, then, when something overloads or breaks down, we're (at least I am) at a loss as to what to do about it.
I'd read many times of you, Tim and others talking about shutting down on an empty project. I never inquired about why, I just assumed it was to save your work. Well, you know what they say about ASSUMING!
My audio problem was as follows: 1. crossfades that included the original audio would mute for the duration of the transition (1 or 2 seconds). 2.crossfades that included audio from the next line under the original (music from cd) while the orignal audio (talking) would be muted, would blare out loud stuff, like voices, laughter, crowd noise, etc., also for the duration of the transition (1 or 2 seconds). 3. Music, which I'd used within this project would pop up all over the place, bits and pieces of songs, (I'd used 2 during the reception) would appear from one end of the reception to the other. I'd clean everything up, but it would reappear after going into Arabesk.
My solution:
I did what I'd read on some earlier posts from you guys. I first checked all the audio and THOUGHT I'd cleaned everything up. Next, I went back and made each desired chapter into separate scenes (6). This, of course, moved my added audio into the video segment, which held it in place for Arabesk to burn.
The only thing I missed was 3-1 sec. crossfades were still muted for the length of the transiton. I'm letting this go for obvious reasons.
I'm still not clear on what caused this, since it has never, to my knowledge, happened. But, from here on, I'm changing the way I do things!
Thanks,
Chuck