Blue Box World Death

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Simfilms
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Blue Box World Death

Post by Simfilms »

Every time I do anything in Blue Box World (and I do mean anything) it says an "abnormal error occurred" and shuts down.
Rebooting takes at least 2 lost minutes and then when I try again, the same thing happens.

I have loads of processing power with a Renommee Plus and running smart edit 7, but the same thing always happened
on my 2 Krons before this, running smart edit 4 and 6, respectively.

Plain old Bluebox occasionally works but does not have enough adjustments to render a really keen keying.

I've got a big project coming up and I'm considering breaking out my old Panasonic AVE55 mixer for the chroma-keying.
It's a real bother to run two DVD decks with footage through the mixer into the Renommee but to secure premium keys,
it looks like I really have no other choice.

It seems a lot of other Cassie users have this problem. Is a fix on the way? Is there a solution?

Sincerely,
Alan M. Simmons :x
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by CKNewman »

When my Kron Plus has shut itself down with the Red Box of Death it's usually because I did one of three things.

1) I try clicking and changing options so fast the Kron can't keep up and chokes.
2) I do so many experiments and "undo's" that the Kron gets confused, says, "NO MORE EXPERIMENTS!" and shuts down. That's why I switch to a different project and back periodically.
3) I click on Full Screen Preview first and then click the Start button when BBW is selected :shock: :o :( . The Kron Plus, now with Smart Edit 8, won't stand for it and says, "Not with my processor you don't!" Blue Box World already has a full screen preview - at least in two monitor mode. Try opening it without clicking FULL SCREEN PREVIEW and see if that works.
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by Martyn »

I'm not aware of any problem with BBW unless this is an NTSC problem. Have you tried a FULL installation of the o/s? Are you on the latest version of the o/s you are using?

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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by BobFoster »

You might try downloading a fresh version of BBW. If you are having the same problem on multiple units, the software may have a corrupt file.
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by LouBruno »

I just tested Blue Box World in all different configurations on my Solitaire Plus model w/o problems in SE 8.
CKNewman wrote:When my Kron Plus has shut itself down with the Red Box of Death it's usually because I did one of three things.

1) I try clicking and changing options so fast the Kron can't keep up and chokes.
2) I do so many experiments and "undo's" that the Kron gets confused, says, "NO MORE EXPERIMENTS!" and shuts down. That's why I switch to a different project and back periodically.
3) I click on Full Screen Preview first and then click the Start button when BBW is selected :shock: :o :( . The Kron Plus, now with Smart Edit 8, won't stand for it and says, "Not with my processor you don't!" Blue Box World already has a full screen preview - at least in two monitor mode. Try opening it without clicking FULL SCREEN PREVIEW and see if that works.
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by normross »

Though it doesn't apply to the problem described, might add that with the S-4000 PRO and our studio's 10-foot blue and green Chroma-Key screens illuminated only by 2 500-Watt floods, plain old "Bluebox" looks very good. No back- (rim) light. The only drawback compared with a "real time" Chroma-Key system is the rendering, which is about 6 times the scene length. For what it's worth ...

- Norm Ross
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by jeffphilips »

The reason listed for red box of death are right on. I do get the box when I move to quickly in BBW as well.
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by PaulBusta »

With my other editors I had it happen sometimes when I would stop a Preview before it would finish. Don't remember what OS I was on back then.
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by LouBruno »

Jeff-give me the steps to reproduce the problem. Thanks.....
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Re: Blue Box World Death

Post by jeffphilips »

I just recreated the problem. I got the death box after I added BBW to the storyboard, viewed it in full size, then tried to start the program. This happened 3 out of 3 tries and sure it would do it every time.
Regarding the crashes when moving to quickly once in BBW, this happens randomly and I couldn't recreate it tonight to give you the steps.
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